I was on the phone with a friend of mine yesterday and he asked if ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ would be any good. I told him that at this point, all I knew for sure about Christopher Nolan’s Bat Trilogy-capper was that … Continue reading

Does ‘Dark Knight Rises’ Have Robin After All?

I was on the phone with a friend of mine yesterday and he asked if ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ would be any good. I told him that at this point, all I knew for sure about Christopher Nolan’s Bat Trilogy-capper was that Catwoman and Bane were in it, there is a flying Bat Vehicle and it’s 2 hours and 45 minutes long.

Outside of that, I think I’ve been in the speculation echo chamber too long to be motivated to find out what’s in ‘Rises’ before I see ‘Rises.’ This is going to be Christopher Nolan’s last Batman movie, but there will be other Batman movies regardless, much like there will be more comic book movies regardless. If I learned anything from ‘The Dark Knight’ and it’s long and dramatic press-coverage arc from viral campaign to the death of Heath Ledger, it’s that – after I’d seen the movie – I retroactively realized I didn’t need any of it. ‘The Dark Knight’ was solid on it’s own terms. Did I enjoy running around Manhattan on a scavenger hunt for a trailer reveal? Sure, but that had nothing to do with the movie. There was stuff in the movie and there was stuff not in the movie.

So despite everyone denying Robin’s involvement up and down, is Robin in the movie? Forbes (taking a break from reporting on K.Stew’s fortune) says yes:

And that’s not all Forbes manages to pull out of that chalk symbol. Click HERE to see what happens when you turn it – UPSIDE DOWN!

I told my friend on the phone that the only thing I was doing to get excited for ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ is to re-read the Hush trade paperbacks. Hush has a whole bunch of inner-monologuing about what makes a good Robin. Grayson always saw it as boyhood adventure, which is why he outgrew it and became Nightwing, Todd always saw it as a game and that’s what got him killed, Drake wants to be a great detective and that’s what makes him the perfect counter-balance to a Batman that occasionally thinks about killing people and has to be talked down from the murderous edge.

And, hey: I bet if Muffled Bane said “Drake” it would sound like “Blake” and that’s Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character in the movie – OMG, guys, I’m a genius.

 

  • http://twitter.com/mixta110 MIXTER

    hmm, double post.

  • http://twitter.com/mixta110 MIXTER

    Hmm, think its not happening personally. It would be great, but I doubt
    it. Unless his name in the run-up to the film is just a red herring to
    throw us off. (I wish that was the case, and in a lot of films)

    I did this for TDK, i over thought the possibility of Mr Reece from TDK
    being The Riddler. Mr.Reece sounds like Mysteries, ie an Enigma. He
    also Worked for Wayne Enterprises, and discovered the riddle of Batmans
    identity. Sounded perfect, but that never materialised. Infact, that would still make a great thread to weave should there ever be a 4th film.

    Saying that, as a finali to the films, it should end with Batman becoming Batman and see the potential of the character in our minds.. The Nolan films are still all about his beginning, even this one. It should end with his character established in the way we know him. So even a hint of a Robin even if he never materialises would be part of that, just as the cave is established in this film etc..

  • LordVolta

    Hmmm, indeed.

  • LordVolta

    Not buying it. He’s just a jag in the film and hopefully that’s it.

  • AICN_Douche

    Nice riffing, but prob’s not.

  • Spence_Mgence

    Wouldn’t it make more sense for Blake to be Bruce’s replacement/stand-in once Bane breaks him? I mean following in the whole Knightfall arc that would make sense. Plus, Christian Bale has said repeatedly he wouldn’t do a movie with Robin.

  • MrGoyaOhBoya

    Something in my gut tells me that Nolan isn’t setting up a future for his Batman. Between the somber tone, the interchange between Bats & Catwoman about ‘giving them everything’ and the ad campaign emphasizing the End of his journey and the Conclusion of the saga – it all seems quite final, no?

    I don’t think Nolan wants WB to screw with his vision, so in one way or another this film is going to end in such a way that the studio is forced to reboot completely. That’s my prediction anyway.

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  • jazzyjules63

    Quite the stupidest article I’ve read in a while.

  • rsixsmith

    let’s hope so. the movies are excellent, but i’m ready for something tonally and visually more like batman (AND robin) from the comics. and yeah, it can really be effed up royally going that route, but i can’t believe the balance can be that incredibly hard to strike.

  • MrGoyaOhBoya

    Definitely not, considering it was done 20 years ago.
    A Recipe for what you’ve described:

    Watch Batman: The Animated Series.
    Do that with people.
    Add a pinch of Arkham City’s visual asthetic.
    Bring back Danny Elfman to score.
    Edit and serve.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marcus.d.fiasco Marcus D. Ellison

    If anything he’s Nolan’s version of John Paul Valley, who was Batman’s replacement after he got broken by Bane, and even that might be a stretch

  • myclawismypenis

    No..just more ramble bamble BS.

  • http://twitter.com/davychuck David Riske

    There will be no John Blake as Robin…but I wouldn’t bet the farm against John Blake being Batman at some point. Possibly at the end…

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  • LAblak22

    The final scenes of Rises is apparently CGI. And that logo looks A LOT like the Batman Beyond symbol… Just saying…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MNZYJ25TA3DDRQMA6YQH7CJ7XE ryana

    No. I cannot wait until this movie releases so all this Robin bullcrap can be put to rest.

  • KillBomb

    Batman Beyond crossed my mind too

  • http://twitter.com/AhoySpermatazoa Amandolin

    Azrael, not Robin.

  • http://twitter.com/jf11mm joe fornabaio

    ooohh…. that would be cool for sure . I don’t think robin fits in nolans version it wouldn’t look right . Maybe he has some sort of tie to a justice league film or a batman vs superman film.

  • http://twitter.com/jf11mm joe fornabaio

    I ‘ve hear rumors for awhile about a batman beyond film.

  • LAblak22

    True. But Nolan can easily reinvent the character as they did with Arkham City,

  • http://www.facebook.com/thedaxx David Blunt

    Nice! I’ve been saying this for about the last year that Blake is going to end up being a planted Dick Grayson, much like he was in the comics when he was in Bludhaven. Makes a lot more sense than Azrael.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740605173 Michael Blyth

    No Robin. Nolan has said so definitively. Blake will take up the mantle after Bruce is defeated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740605173 Michael Blyth

    And that chalk bat-symbol looks like just that… a BAT-SYMBOL. You’ve really got to stretch your imagination to see ANYTHING else.

  • Jonathan Farias

    He’s going to become batman from batman beyond just watch

  • LordVolta

    At this point, I might finally buy into it. After reading some vague reviews online, I can kind of see the passing of the torch from Bruce Wayne to Blake. Kinda of makes sense. I brought up this theory around with other fans earlier this year but they shot me down. This could be a set up for more Batman films since Nolan’s movies are blockbuster hits. Which comes back to Wayne finally retiring for sure after beating Bane. Thus, leaving everything to Blake to keep Gotham safe.

  • lucascott

    i would have to call that quite a stretch since the idea with Valley was that no one would know there had been a substitution and Joseph is far from the same body as Christian.

    i think a wink wink hinting at a possible Robin type character is more where Nolan would go with the character. Subtle and never fully answered of course since he’s not going to make a 4th movie but just as a question for folks to debate over drinks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Nunito99 Steven Nuno

    @lucascott:disqus check out a pic of bale and joe standing next to each other. Their body types arent that different anymore. Joe has bulked up quite a bit since filming this movie. I don’t think it was just to play your average cop. Plus, another thing i noticed. They show joe in the trailer as much…maybe even a bit more than they even show batman. In my opinion, it’s a subtle technique to suggest to the viewer than regardless of what happens in the movie, they’re setting up joe’s character to be VERY important. I dont know about the whole robin theory, but i’ve got my money on him taking up the cowl by the end of the movie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/koua.xiong.10 Koua Xiong

    As much as I would love this speculation to be true. Nolan’s been trying to maintain an honest retelling of Batman, and the fact that JGL’s character is named John Blake deviates from any of the original Robin’s names.

    I mean, you don’t just change a major character’s name. Unless your from a lack luster tv show called Smallville. (I was really pissed when they changed Jimmy Olsen to Henry or something other…)

  • http://www.facebook.com/LARLARLARLAR Natthun Morrell

    i fucking love that you put he got broken by bane i loled so hard i fell down

  • http://www.facebook.com/rickaye Rickaye Capistrano

    There’s been a small mistake. The back story for “robin” is that of Jason, the second robin. Dick Greyson the first robin is a cop by profession, and the detective skills belong to the third robin; Tim Drake.