It looks like we’re going to have a more mature Batman. During an investor conference yesterday, Warner Bros CEO Kevin Tsujihara said that Ben Affleck’s Batman will be “tired and weary and seasoned and been doing it for a while.” … Continue reading

Warner Brothers CEO Describes Ben Affleck’s Batman as Tired, Weary and Seasoned

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It looks like we’re going to have a more mature Batman.

During an investor conference yesterday, Warner Bros CEO Kevin Tsujihara said that Ben Affleck’s Batman will be “tired and weary and seasoned and been doing it for a while.”

It’s the description of the Batman that will be in the upcoming untitled “Man of Steel” sequel in 2015.

In addition, Tsujihara believed Affleck is the perfect choice as Batman.

“We think it’s the perfect springboard for Batman and Superman,” he said. “Ben is perfect for the vision Zack has for that character. The fact that you saw such a passionate response in the blogosphere is really kind of a testament to the love that people have for this character.”

He also hinted there will be a lot of announcements from Warner Brothers’ DC Comics unit soon.

Well, we can’t wait.

  • CHristian BALE

    lol

  • Dan Riedel

    So…he’s John McClain?

    He better be.

  • Jugo Aich

    I hope by weary he means the angered and irked attitude depicted in The Dark Knight Returns.

  • Guesty

    I don’t always like Batman, but when I do, I prefer him tired and weary.

  • David Scott King

    “a passionate response in the blogosphere”? REALLY!?! If by passionate he means “Are you fucking serious?!?”

  • J.A.C.

    So it’s a continuation of TDKR? I am for it, all I want is a batman who takes no crap and is more into detective work, like the Arkham series batman, I do believe Affleck can have that intensity.

  • Hephaestus1

    That sounds about right.

  • Screw the Fans

    What happens if Affleck lays an egg?
    Will they replace him? A tired OLD Batman in the reboot? Damn you Christian Bale this is all your fault. The fans have waited for this movie for a long time now now we get bent over backwards and have tired old Ben Affleck shoved up our a$$e$.

    The Dark Knight Returns is basically batman’s last stand.

  • Justin

    I think we’re forgetting one thing here: Daredevil.

  • Uglymask

    your passion is blinding me…

  • AL

    I heard he likes to screw women in a very uncomfortable place…………..

  • rsixsmith

    yeah, i’m so glad we’ve never seen the ninja detective on film and probably never will. wb is f****n awesome.

  • JV

    i like the idea of an older,experienced, tired Batman (like Frank Millers version) for this movies BUT, what will happen when in lets say, maybe 5 years from now the Justice League movies comes. If Batman is already old in this movie he is gonna be even older in JL…how are they gonna work with that

  • JV

    no this universe is not connected to Nolan’s, thats one of the main reasons they casted a different Batman.

  • JV

    ya and that was over a decade ago. This is a different time, different writer, different studio, different director and much more experience for Ben Affleck.

  • The Usual Suspect

    By weary do they mean that he will have lost all cartilage in his nose (on top of his knees) and wear a magical brace that instantly heals his nose allowing him to properly breathe and smell Supesy coming from a mile away therefore enabling him to take him down? Hmmmmmm?

  • J.A.C.

    Sorry I didn’t mean in that context I was meaning that TDKR had a tired wary batman. Saying that the concept is nothing new.

  • rsixsmith

    they haven’t thought that far ahead. all they’ve done is said, “what’s one of the most best-selling versions of this character in print? oh, here’s one!” and snyder gets all boned that it’s a super-cynical, uber-testosterone version. *sighhhhhh* oh well. i thought superman was enjoyable, with some truly cool visuals and plot points. and yeah, some problems, but NOTHING like the disappointment of green lantern. i’m sure this will be serviceable at least, maybe even quite good.

  • rsixsmith

    “The fact that you saw such a passionate response in the blogosphere is really kind of a testament to the love that people have for this character.”

    lol. what a flippin idiot. smear some more lipstick on that pig, and how about some cake? you all want cake, don’t you….?

  • David Scott King

    Like in the trunk of the tumbler…? Cuz the tumbler doesn’t actually have a trunk, right?

  • dickwad

    fucking o’banon is good at one thing, smackin’ freshman ass with his soul pole buddies, and converting lesbians to go straight and his best friend to go gay!!!!!!!!

  • The Usual Suspect

    To be that ignorant just shows how badly the losers over at WB are whoring the single marketable character that DC has, and it is a shame. At least let Nolan’s Batman get some more time to cement its history before rebooting with a douchebag from Boston that the majority of the blogosphere passionately hates. Tough times over at DC, but hey that’s what happens when you have one character, well maybe two, the Joker is just as important as Batsy.

  • ShadowInc

    “that you saw such a passionate response in the blogosphere”
    Funny how they try to spin the Affleck backlash.

  • ShadowInc

    By the time BATMAN gets to a JL movie he will be incontinent.

  • Onyx

    What is their definition of ‘tired and weary’?

  • jamthemaj

    Here’s the dealio. Affleck is a great actor (yes, it’s true), and he’s going to be a fantastic, badass Batman. They know it, I know it, and everyone is going to eat their words come 2015. I”m a lifelong Batman fan; I can’t wait!

  • jamthemaj

    Haha “one character, maybe two”! That’s hilarious; thanks for the laugh, Keyser Soze!

  • jamthemaj

    What JV said. Try actually watching a movie Affleck starred in since Hollywoodland.

  • jamthemaj

    Yippe kai yay!

  • Dan Riedel

    To be honest, if this is a new Batman, as long as they don’t retread the Joker or any of the characters from the Nolan trilogy, I’ll be fine. Provided that Affleck knocks the roll out of the park. They just need to treat the Nolan trilogy as a loose history for the current iteration, much like they did with the Hulk.

    Batman has an entire set of new rogues since the comic book reboot – just use those.

  • Victor Pleitez

    Funny you mention that, the last two batman video games are sort of based off the old die hard movies, especially arkham asylum. Batman goes to arkham joker stages a hostile takeover, batman has to fight his way through different wards and save hostages, batman gets all bruised and cut up at the end just like McClain in the first film.

  • The Usual Suspect

    LOL you are welcome. So I’m assuming you think they have more than just two-three (Superman, Batman, Joker) that are relevant to movie-going audiences?
    Who would those others be? Would they happen to be Green Lantern? Wonder Woman? Flash? Aquaman? Green Arrow? Yeah…so how well have they done on the big screen? Exactly. Only one of those characters has a movie and we all know how that turned out. Flash and Arrow have been relegated to network TV and with Wonder Woman who knows and who cares?
    And I say maybe two because box office results and critical consensus shows that Supes isn’t the God-send (literally) that DC hopes he would be (please refrain from defending MoS and Zack Snyder, I’ve heard and read it all). I guess his films need even moAr Jesus imagery, that might help Superman have a good movie…someday. But hey it is DC, the philosophy is to reboot to hell or reboot until you get it right, right?

  • Dan Riedel

    He wasn’t bad in Daredevil. The script was ass. The first scene with Daredevil was pretty dope, they just made the story too tongue-in-cheek.

    I personally just don’t see him as Bruce Wayne. Daredevil was his role.

    The only way I’ll care to really see anything with this new Batman is if they make the story mostly about Bruce again, but make his stories more like a crime drama… like Luther starring Idris Alba. He does his clue collection and ass kicking as Batman, but goes back to the cave and tries to piece together what he finds…. hopefully, with Robin in tow.

    The fact that Lois Lane knows who Superman is though is problematic, now every human will be gunning for her.

  • Victor Pleitez

    The paul dini batman from the arkham series is old and weary, so Affleck can totally put that Batman off if it is what Snyder is going for.

  • J.A.C.

    Very true but I would love to see another version of scarecrow. Nolan did an awesome job with him in Begins but he’s my favorite villain in the bat verse

  • The Usual Suspect

    +1 for the Soze reference! But honestly…I don’t think DC has anybody they can truly market and succeed with besides Batman, and current signs point towards fan let-down with the controversial casting and barely-better-than-Michael Bay director.

  • Victor Pleitez

    Brining up a movie that came out over a decade ago, that was written and directed by the guy who went on to make such classics like Ghost Rider and When in Rome. Yeah makes sense.

  • Victor Pleitez

    i always thought it was hanging upside down from a gargoyle.

  • rsixsmith

    actually, i care about wonder woman. and the flash, and green lantern, huntress, the question, zatana… and joss whedon had a great treatment of wonder woman a few years back that wb pulled the plug on because they are a bunch of cake-eating asshats. i’d like to think they’re kicking themselves over that one now, but i don’t think they’re smart enough. i hate to say it- because after x-men, dc characters are my comic bread and butter- but marvel is the wiser studio for not trying to f**k around and be “smarter” or “more real” than the source material. it sells itself, but the studio execs over there can’t accept that they are not creative people.

  • Victor Pleitez

    Exactly, whatever Green Lantern tried to be Man Of steel did soo much better. “the solution to Star wars”, thats what WB said when marketing GL, and it was just a rushed origin story, with a generic crazy villian, a poor story, and worse it took place mostly on Earth and gave little attention to fantastic realm of space and Oa. At least MOS did a good job at being a alien encounter film, and Snyder did good job at showing a godlike superman is and how terrible it would be to have 2 kryptonians go all out here on Earth. People complain about the last fight but he wanted it to mirror Greek mythology and how a battle between gods would ravage humanity.

  • The Usual Suspect

    Yeah but to DC’s credit Marvel has done plenty of stupid as well to say the least. The comicbook movie industry as a whole is unfortunately run by people who only see dollar signs save a few.

  • The Usual Suspect

    I upvoted because of the username, but stayed for the comment.

  • jamthemaj

    I knew you’d like my Soze reference!!!
    I didn’t realize you meant only characters that are relevant to movie-going audiences. I assumed you meant in general. My bad!

    That said, I disagree with you, at least to an extent. I add Superman to the list. Man of Steel was an excellent film, in my opinion. I loved just about everything about it. I’m also an Affleck fan; he’s a great actor, and he’s proven that time and time again since Hollywoodland. That small yet vocal segment of fandom will eat crow come 2015.

    I also disagree on Wonder Woman and Flash. Both could make great films, if done right and well. WB hesitates on WW because they don’t believe in a female lead, which is a shame. Green Lantern would have been great if he had been handled by writers and a director that actually had both respect and love for the character.

    As for the rest of the DC universe, you’re right on a lot of em. But the same can be said about Marvel. Both publishers have a lot of lousy characters that would not make good movies.

  • rsixsmith

    agreed. most of the marvel studios movies, with a few exceptions, have been fairly paint-by-numbers- with incredible hulk being the most beat by beat predictable, in my opinion. i enjoyed the hell out of the avengers. sure, it wasn’t exactly brilliant, but the direction was, which made all the difference.

  • rsixsmith

    i have no problem with the destruction at the end. gloried in it, actually. look how many times jla & jla unlimited leveled multiple city blocks, and those series STILL rock harder than anything wb has done with live action. no difference in my mind between animated and live action violence/destruction.

  • rsixsmith

    in alfred’s bed…. god, i’m sick.

  • Jax Maxton

    I hope he repeats the phrase ‘I’m getting too old for this shit.’ over and over.

  • FanFreakinTastic

    Ironic how this description sums up his career….other than the seasoned part…probably needs seasoning.

  • Charles Jonathan

    For that they should have chose Josh Brolin. However, I’ll support Affleck, he is an amazing actor.

  • bigriver00

    They forgot to add “lame” and “clown shoes.”

  • bigriver00

    Were you paid to write this?

  • bigriver00

    Down with frat-douche Batman. Fire Affleck and hire Brolin.

  • JD

    Does WB/DC…know what they’re doing? I think is a mistake to make him that old. I so need to go work for WB and helm the rights to how these Characters are portrayed on films. I hope the film does well but I’m already disappointed by this news. I want to see the Ninja/Detective not the old last breath batman.

  • jamthemaj

    What fantastic games! I never thought of the Die Hard connection. That’s awesome!

  • jamthemaj

    I wish! But no, it’s my genuine opinion.

  • jamthemaj

    Agreed on Daredevil and Affleck’s performance.

    I would love to see Bruce/Bats handled that way in this new iteration. I like the way you think!

  • Victor Pleitez

    Really analyze them and look at the fact that they all take place in one night, batman is running from point a to point b working his way up to the villain getting more banged over time and finally uncovering their twist evil plan. The next batman that’s supposed to come out takes place on the night of Christmas Eve when batman is targeted by a mobster who hires 8 assassins to kill him. WB Montreal even said they borrowed heavily from the die hard music, incorporating sleigh bells into the soundtrack for the game.

  • jamthemaj

    What?! Haha I was hoping you’d come around! :D If they do it well and very differently, I don’t mind some characters being reused, but I would rather them stick with all new villains. I’d love to see Hush!

  • jamthemaj

    That’s very clever of them. Die Hard is one of my favorite action films, and the Arkham games are a couple of my favorites this gen. Origins looks great; I knew the plot and the facts that you pointed out make me all the more excited. Sleigh bells huh? Sounds like another great score that I’ll own!

  • Onyx

    So I watched Dare Devil again today and I was really studying Affleck’s acting ability. He’s not bad in Dare Devil. That movie has everything else plaguing it but I don’t think Affleck is the problem. A lot of ppl have seen his newer stuff and I for one,have not. But these ppl claim he has grown as an actor well if this is true then he probably won’t do too damn bad as Batman/Bruce Wayne.
    I knew of his body of work from the early days(GoodWill Hunting excluded) I never saw it and I just kinda wrote him off. So I had this preconceived notion about his acting ability. When I heard his name I immediately thought of Mall Rats,Dazed and Confused and Dogma,all movies that were fun when I used to get stoned. Clearly I think I may have misjudged the guy.I think Ben will do alright as the caped crusader. Or at least I am holding onto the hope that he will,anyway.

  • Onyx

    I dunno,I think in this new movie it’d be cool if it opened with the end of The Killing Joke. Have Bats and Joker battling it out up to the point where Batman kills him,just like the comicbook. But don’t set it up. Just have the movie open right in the middle of the malay. Maybe have a little dialogue to give everyone the jist of the idea that Joker has gone too far this time and Batman is done playing around with him, and then,the laughter stops.
    Maybe if they don’t follow The Dark Knight Returns exactly then somewhere in the movie Supes and Bats could find common ground cuz both have killed one of their own kind.Hence,ending the battle between them but not the friction and then the story could play out from there, however.

    I just think it’d be cooler to go the route where we see Batman on screen before we see Bruce Wayne or before we even see Superman. They could open the movie however they like but throwing in something familiar like The Killing Joke ending, would juuust be a bonus.

    Long live the Batman!!!

  • Onyx

    I would love to see a movie featuring Killer Croc. Fuck it,give it an R rating I’d go see it.

  • Junesong Trigger

    Batman doesn’t kill the Joker at the end of The Killling Joke. He offers to help him get his life and sanity back, laughs at the joke about the two crazy guys escaping the asylum, then arrests him for shooting Barbara and kidnapping Commissioner Gordon instead of beating the shit out of him because Gordon wants to show him that their way can work. I’m not one of the people who got all pissed off that Superman killed Zod, because there had to be a reason why he tries so hard to keep his powers in check and not kill, but I would get pissed if they showed Batman willingly killing anyone, even if there’s no choice. His vow to never take a life no matter what is a central part of the character. If they’re going to do anything at all with The Killing Joke, I’d rather see a full length animated movie with Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill. Hamill said after Arkham City that’s the only way he would come back and voice the Joker.

  • Onyx

    Grant Morrison himself said Batman broke the Joker’s neck at the end. Hence the reason why the laughter stopped. He said it was in the title and so many ppl missed it. I missed it too.

  • Onyx

    Kevin Smith Smodcast #044 about three quarters of the way through is when Grant starts talking about ppl missing the true ending. You should check it out.It’s cool to hear his take on it.

  • TheTruth

    Well, if a CEO said it…

  • TheTruth

    Seasoned, weary and tired…you mean like TDKR?

  • TheTruth

    But, but…we have a guy in a rubber suit.

  • TheTruth

    Since I’m not a fan of Affleck, and I wasn’t a fan of MOS…I am not really objective, but I do predict a failure with this film. We shall see…

  • TheTruth

    I was more pissed off that Superman killed thousands of innocent people. Zod meant nothing, because his character was so damn boring. It seemed like everyone and everything were collateral damage in the MOS film.

  • TheTruth

    He did? I’m looking at the book now. I don’t see a broken neck, nor did I ever get that impression.

  • TheTruth

    Maybe Bale saw MOS and wanted nothing to do with a sequel.

  • TheTruth

    Really? Affleck still comes off as a shallow douche to me.

  • TheTruth

    I think that The Town was very overrated. He has had some major duds even after his academy award. Some forgettable love story recently that was panned on RT for example.

  • TheTruth

    He sucked as Daredevil. If you didn’t buy into him as the character, it wouldn’t matter if the script was stellar.

  • TheTruth

    I think there is a big difference. When it is animated, I’m not reminded of the destruction from 9/11…which MOS seemed to revel in. Why was the destruction not as disturbing in Avengers? Simply because the heroes were trying to prevent it. Superman caused it.

  • TheTruth

    lol. Actually, based on their description, I thought they were describing Bale in TDKR. That said, it sounds like a “world weary” Batman needs to be a tad bit older than Affleck. At the very least, this will be the first Batman with an effeminate voice.

  • TheTruth

    Also, the first Batman that probably cries.

  • CainCrow

    Some people try to hard to make connections but I can see exactly what you are saying. And it is awesome.

  • CainCrow

    Rises had a a washed up and useless Batman. I hope he’s NOTHING like that.

  • CainCrow

    I wouldnt mind seeing another Scarecrow. But yeah, I’d like to see some really cool rogues brought in.

  • CainCrow

    Croc, maybe. R, they will never do.

  • CainCrow

    I’d likle to see Manbat

  • Victor Pleitez

    Lolz I realized how Hans was calling His henchmen and sometimes McClain over the radio for his detonators, and joker would be harassing everyone over the radio to get back his Titan formula.

  • CainCrow

    ‘not killing’ is not a central part of Batman. It is a kid friendly way to keep him on all media. He is not the Punisher but he CAN be pushed that far.

  • CainCrow

    I thought Killing Joke was when Batman laughed and left. No beat down no arrest just ended.

  • CainCrow

    We arent. Daredevil was great. ANd over a decade ago. And Affleck does amazing work these days.

  • CainCrow

    No, he and Nolan ever only wanted to do a closed story trilogy.

  • CainCrow

    Including Hollywoodland.

  • CainCrow

    No. No robin.

  • rsixsmith

    zod caused it, and it was superman’s first time out. and why does it have to be live action for you to be reminded of 9/11? and why does 9/11 stand out so boldly in the pantheon of human tragedy? shouldn’t any violent movie bother you as much by that logic? will any military-themed action movie now be unacceptable to you because it reminds you of how many innocents have been collateral damage in u.s. drone attacks, or the many thousands of innocent lives lost in u.s. meddling in general throughout or history? i really don’t understand at all why any city being destroyed on film is now a slight toward or mistreating the memory of 9/11. 9/11 was and still is a terrible tragedy, but history is FILLED with tragedy and on even grander scales.

  • CainCrow

    Well I never would’ve expected a character as stupid as Thor to make it to the big screen and be a success. It really depends on how its done.

  • CainCrow

    Brolin passed. Affleck will do well though.

  • CainCrow

    Brolin doesnt want it . Get over it.

  • CainCrow

    I really don’t think they mean last leg Batman. Grouchier. Smarter. More cynical.

  • CainCrow

    I really think if daredevil came out today (exctly as it is) It would be lauded as another grand slam for Marvel. I thought bullseye (and his stupid forhead) was the worst part of that film. I love it and am looking forward to his Batman.

  • CainCrow

    sorry, we dont do common sense and reasoning here. hyperbole and half thought rants is what happens here.

  • CainCrow

    I was getting ready to replay this a few days ago. (Gotta platinum Dead Apace 3 first) now when I do I’ll be looking at it slightly different. Should make another play through even more fun!

  • rsixsmith

    not killing is a central part of all dc heroes. that’s why it was such a big deal (even to batman) when wonder woman snapped max lord’s neck like a twig.

  • CainCrow

    Because they really pander to kids like Marvel does with spiderman and many of theirs. Its stupid and doesnt make any sense. in the more adult oriented graphic novels almost all of them have ended someone who needed it.

  • Dan Riedel

    If they’re going to go the detective route this time, Batman will need someone to bounce his ideas off of, and him relying on alfred is lame, especially considering that this is an older Batman.

    Robin could be done well if either:

    a) he’s an amalgam of Dick Grayson and Jason Todd but in his late teens like Tim Drake

    b) it’s a red head girl (Lindsay Lohan perhaps).

    BvS could be great if Batman had a sidekick causing just as much mayhem when Superman’s back is turned.

  • Dan Riedel

    Same here! And make him a Lexcorp experiment!

  • Dan Riedel

    That’s what I’m saying, or at least release an R rated directors cut on DVD. Give folks a reason to buy a copy.

  • Dan Riedel

    I’m betting that WW’s reference in Man of Steel was the Kryptonian spaceship that landed thousands of years ago.

    The ‘Amazonians’ are actually Kryptonian colonists (generated from the birthing matrices), who, for some reason or another, decided to form a society of all women and remain secluded. They had skirmishes with the outside world and legend grew about their titan like abilities.

    And the lasso of truth is more or less a noose that WW strangles the truth out of people with.

  • Dan Riedel

    This is the point I’ve been trying to make. WBs history has proven this again and again.

  • CainCrow

    Man people would cry foul on that but I think it sounds good

  • CainCrow

    Any of that is fine. But no, he doesnt need someone. He talks into his recorder and aloud himself. A quiet contemplating Batman (Like Keaton) would actually be nice.

  • Askani

    The passionate response from the blogosphere huh? More like shock & nausea from the blogosphere. Affleck as Batman is almost as funny as a Robocop that looks like Ironman, clown shoes says I.

  • jamthemaj

    Agree to disagree on The Town. I loved the movie. It’s fantastic. As for To The Wonder, the love story that you mention, that wasn’t Affleck’s fault; it was Terrence Malick’s fault for making a movie with zero plot. I had the same gripe with Tree of Life, but for some reason critics praised that one.

  • jamthemaj

    Superman caused it? Nope.

  • jamthemaj

    Hear hear!!! Very well said, and I couldn’t agree more. I loved Man of Steel… everything about it.

  • jamthemaj

    Some people think the empty pod is a possible reference for Kara, aka Supergirl.

    But I like where you’re headed with that. That would be an interesting approach. Some fans would hate it, but I like it!

  • Suck my handle

    Also, Brolin’s ugly. He doesn’t look a thing like Batman or Bruce Wayne and he sucked as Jonah Hex!

  • c_r_gauthier

    They should have Gabriel Macht do Green Lantern and/or Flash

  • Dan Riedel

    LMAO! My stance is still the same: waiting for the rental :p

  • Dan Riedel

    Alan Moore and Grant Morrison are noted rivals, haha, I wouldn’t read too much into what GM had to say about Moore’s Killing Joke [although that does sound way cool :)]

  • Dan Riedel

    Yea, according to the Walmart comic, that WAS Kara’s ship. Haha, she even had a taste for chocolate, which was refreshing ;)

    But the fact that Supergirl crash landed on Earth THOUSANDS of years ago disturbs me, and makes me ask, “Why?”

    The only reasoning for this would be to set up Wonder Woman’s plot,
    because they’re not going to make her a god. But being perceived as one (ala Thor) is totally plausible.

    In the comics Daxamites (like Mon-El) were supposedly Kryptonians too, but over thousands of years, they genetically adapted to their new habitat. Maybe Diana is a Kryptonian-Human hybrid – a product of Kryptonian evolution on Earth?

    Haha, if that’s not it – that’s one hell of a story I may write one day :p

  • jamthemaj

    I agree on the asking why that would be.

    And yep, that would be one hell of a story, and I think you should write it!

  • JD

    sarcasm I hope because that’s the Batman we all want. The Ninja /Detective young and in his prime I want a serious ass kicking ,bone cracking batman damn It.

  • http://knuts-film-blog.blogspot.co.uk/ Paxton

    While I have no knowledge of the Batman comics (I was a Dark Horse kid), I know enough of the mythos that an older, harder Batman is definitely one of the better incarnations still to be put into live action. Failing that, a Sandy Collora-style Year One.

    I’m just not convinced that Batfleck can do grizzled and scarred, I still think John Hamm, while perhaps only getting two movies out of him, tops, would make a great older Batman. Either him or that agent from the Matrix sequels…. hand on… google… Daniel Bernhardt. No, hang on, that’s a shit idea. Dude must be about 50 by now.

  • bigriver00

    Au contraire. Batman was never intended to look like a frat boy. Brolin looks like an actual man, (unlike boy actors Affleck, Reynolds and Cooper.)

    Hollywood needs to start finding American leading men, and not relying on shallow, pathetic, metrosexuals like those named above.

  • bigriver00

    Unfortunately, Affleck seems to want it though, so I will continue to b*tch about it, as that is my internet nerd right.

    Make a Hollywood fellating movie like “Argo” and win a role as the f*cking BATMAN. Affleck is such a tool.

  • CainCrow

    and you’re a troll.

  • myclawismypenis

    As long as he is pissed off…

  • c_r_gauthier

    John Hamm.. yeah.. he can do grizzled and scarred.. I wouldn’t have minded if Gabriel Macht has been Batman. I think he could also have pulled it off.

  • rsixsmith

    yeah, sarcasm. so sick of these lame-ass fights that look like boxing matches that my grandpa choreographed. i want to see some effing building diving, cable swinging, serious gymnastics and mixed martial arts. and i want a robin right by bats’ side doing the same. jesus h., if they can make a spider-man movie, why in the F**K can’t the make a comic-faithful adaptation of batman and robin?? and WHY does he have to be weighted down in so much body armor? that’s not the batman i read. you why he doesn’t need it? ’cause he’s that effin good. and no, it’s not even remotely realistic, which is why i f*****g love it.

  • rsixsmith

    okay, but been there done that. robin is an enormous part of the batman mythos. instead of just saying no robin, say why no robin. it’s the gay thing, isn’t it? that’s where your mind goes, admit it :)

  • CainCrow

    heheh. Truth is, you are right, too many peoples minds do go there and I get sick of listening to the jokes about it. But Robinwas ALWAYs (even by Kane’s own admittance) a business decision, not a creative one. And one that has outlived its usefulness. I do like modern Robin. He’s kinda cool. Nightwing is pretty b.a. but odds are you cant do a Batman film with Grayson coming in, being robin, getting shot, and Batman dumping him to get to the Nightwing portion.

    So how many Batman and Robins do there gotta be? too many because once Grayson is in then EVERYONE will want to see their favorite Robin, Todd and whoever else.
    It’s fine with the comics where they can release them dozens at a time. But movies,,,,iif it could be done REALLY well, thatd be ok. But I like Batman best solo.

  • tevii

    “We think it’s the perfect springboard for Batman and Superman”

    Complete nonsense. Man of Steel was supposed to be the beginning of the DC cinematic universe. But the sequel ALREADY has a “Tired, Weary and Seasoned”

    They cannot possibly take the cinematic universe very far if the characters are already aged.

    That being said up to 40 is hardly aged. Im 38 and in better shape than Ive ever been and ive always worked out. so I dont consider Ben Afflecks age a match to the horrible description they list.

    Leave it to WB to screw everything up.

  • http://knuts-film-blog.blogspot.co.uk/ Paxton

    James Bond was never intended to look like anyone who portrayed him, either. He was supposed to look like this guy with a long thin scar down his cheek.

    Point being, no-one complains that Bond doesn’t look like he was described.

  • http://knuts-film-blog.blogspot.co.uk/ Paxton

    (Sorry, I’ve read more Bond than Batman, so only have that perspective on this)

  • c_r_gauthier

    Maybe he’s weary because he’s stuck with the Bieber kid as Robin!

  • Mcool138

    I have to say… I was super excited about Affleck being Batman, but now that I see it’s going to be an old and weak Batman it’s kind of a let down… I might not see the movie.

  • Onyx

    I’d have to go dig my comics out to take a look. But as I recall it didn’t show anything like that either. I guess it’s supposed to be more implied… than anything else?? Anyways,I really thought Grant Morrison was saying something ‘big news’ like I had totally missed the point or something but maybe not. If him and Alan Moore have had a feuding past like Dan was saying then I guess anything is possible.
    I didn’t know that about the two of them.

    Damn! Now I’m going to have to go dig my comics out just so I can see if Grant’s little theory even holds water. lol

  • Onyx

    I hate when they change the complete look of a character,like Bullseye. If DareDevil had a suit then why couldn’t they have just left him in his blue and white suit or black and white,whatever color they are currently using?? I don’t follow along with DareDevil comics but he coulda had a suit instead of a leather duster/trenchcoat and you’re right, that brand on his forehead was stupid.

  • CainCrow

    Thank you. I’m so used to being yelled at…that was quite…refreshing.

  • Wallace Morrison

    I always liked the Clock King, or ClayFace

  • Onyx

    HAHAHA No problem.

    ’bout your other comment of DareDevil ”coming out today and being lauded as another grandslam for Marvel”??
    Possibly, but it would prolly have to be the directors cut from what I understand that is a little better version of the movie than the theatrical release? I haven’t seen it so I can’t compare the two. All I have is the theatrical version.

  • CainCrow

    ok, not grand slam. but lauded none the less. It is difficult to get the image of that guy from all those Kevin Smith movies out of your head when you are trying to picture him as Batman (or Daredevil back then)

  • CainCrow

    I always found Clock king kinda goofy. But ooooh man! Clayface is one of my favorites!! I’d like it if they got like seven different actors to play major parts of Clayface during a Batman movie. I think he is one they REALLY need to bring to the big screen,

  • jo

    You are an idiot… “not killing” is a huge part of Batman. It is a very important factor to how he combats crime and there is a huge vow he made to never kill.. stemming from the tragedy that his parents were killed, so he decided to never do it himself. It also explains why of all the gadgets he has not one of them is lethal. You have no idea what your talking about. You have no idea what your talking about.

  • Seth Wilson

    I’m a lifelong Batman fan also and will support the character after this but I will not support Ben Affleck as Batman. I finally saw Argo like everyone said because “they” say he has gotten better as an actor and the movie was decent but Affleck leading role felt flat to me. It seem he barely spoke and only made though the movie due to his supporting cast. And that made me remember why I stopped watching Affleck movies. I hope the MOS sequel do well and Ben knock it out the park. I just won’t be spending my money or time to support it.

  • jamthemaj

    Agree to disagree. I loved Argo, and even more to the point, I thought he was fantastic in Argo. The scene where they’re going over their cover stories… Affleck commands that scene. I think he’ll be an amazing Batman. Watch The Town, State of Play, Company Men or Hollywoodland, if you haven’t.

  • Onyx

    Yeah,it is. I am trying to tell myself that he will do ok as Batman.Fingers crossed! But we’ll just have to wait and see I guess.
    Gawd I hate waiting!!!!

  • CainCrow

    congratulations you are one of the children they are selling to.

  • deacon_2112

    no one I know liked the choice.

    wonder what kind of “yes man” zone he gets his feedback from?

  • deacon_2112

    fair enough. you’re allowed to be wrong.

  • deacon_2112

    remember how you felt after watching “Daredevil”?

    kinda like that.

  • jamthemaj

    Haha! Thanks, but I’m not! :D

  • Wallace Morrison

    Clayface is who they both should be fighting, he’s just that bad ass. If you can remember what they did with Spawn and how they made his effects, with the cape and all, they could do that with the clay. the visual effects would be awesome and you know Bats would get hell over fighting him

  • CainCrow

    Also Supes couldn’t break his neck, most of his powers would have little affect so his character would have to continue to grow. Yes, Clayface would be ideal. Hell, he could even be a/the major villain in a JL film. Though they will probably go with Darkseid or Doomsday or alien invasion.

  • Wallace Morrison

    Oh, I also wanted to say that the Clock King if done right is methodical. Bats had trouble with him because he was hard to time perfectly. I think if they really work with him and make him sinister like Ryan Gosling was in Crash and that Place Beyond the Pines, he could really work. He’s have to be psycotic and have killed a few people too in the movie. He’s basically be like a normal human being that is just supersmart and ruthless that batman has troubles capturing. A few explosions, killings, funny laughter. good villain

  • Wallace Morrison

    I think we can all agree that ClayFace is highly underrated. Hell, Clayface changes appearances. What if Clayface could be the Clock King, Joker, and even fake out the Bats thinking he was Supes. I know…..half of the movie you actually think it’s Superman, then surprise Dummies!!! It’s Clayface suckas!

  • Wallace Morrison

    I would get my monies worth just to watch people storm out of the theatre, when they see Aaron Paul (Jessie Pinkman) turn into Clayface after they just saw Henry as Supes, and yell out, ‘Surprise!! It’s Clayface bitch!!

  • Onyx

    Yeah I hear ya. LOL I’m not a fan either but I do hope he does a goodjob as Batman. I’m trying reeeaal hard to stay optimistic about it.

  • Seth Wilson

    I’ve seen some of those and he still seem bland.

  • jamthemaj

    Oh well; different strokes for different folks!

  • deacon_2112

    Oh, but you are LOL

    He’ll do to Batman what Halle Berry did to Catwoman.

    Only worse.

  • deacon_2112

    You can always hope I suppose.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if Superman swallows Kryptonite before the end of Scene 2 LOL

  • deacon_2112

    If you look at Bob Kane’s original “Batman”, he turned out the lights permanently for a lot of criminals.

  • Onyx

    LMAO Ahhh that’s fuckin bro!

  • Onyx

    You know,after looking at pics of the old Flash tv character. I noticed that..he can turn his head! So they could make the new Batsuit with a head that turns and not have it be a two piece design like the Nolanverse Dark Knight. I like Nolan’s Bat but I want to see something else this go around.

  • Onyx

    I think Batman does kill the Joker. But I don’t think it was by breaking his neck like Morrison was saying. I think it was the poisonous needle that the Joker had attached to his hand.
    I think Batman found it after the Joker clobbered him with a board. The needle paralyzed and killed the guy at the carnival when he stuck him with it,an the guy didn’t fall off from the ride he was sitting on.
    So I think Batman found it during their fight and used it on the Joker. Joker dies standing up,paralyzed in the same manner as the guy at the carnival did. This would explain why the Joker doesn’t fall down in the last few panels and it would also explain as to why Batman was looking at his hand for sooo long on that page during the middle of a fight scene.

    To say Batman never kills..well Batman kills. He killed the Joker at the end of the ’89 Batman movie and shortly before that he killed a guy by(wrapping his legs around the dude’s neck) then pulled him from the top of the bell tower and let him fall down the shaft. Earlier in the movie he drives the Batmobile into a chemical plant and detonates a bomb. We never see any of those guys run away.
    In Batman Returns,he grabs a bomb from one of the Penguin’s strongmen and puts it down the front of the guy’s pants and then proceeds to knock him down in a hole,where the guy blows up.

    Dark Knight Returns (cartoon) Batman picks up one of the Mutant gang members and throws him into a neon light where the dude just hangs there and fries.Nobody ever helped him and we never see him fall clear of it all. What we did see was the looks of horror on people’s faces while the guy was frying and the noise the guy was making until it abruptly stopped,presumably because he was dead?? Now if in the next scene the news reporter says that he didn’t die and was hospitalized or some shit,then I missed that part of it. Feel free to set me straight on it. But any matter the Batman has killed on film before..repeatedly.

  • jamthemaj

    You’re living in the past, deacon. Or you just haven’t seen anything he’s made in the past 6 years.

    Affleck is a great actor.

  • Theroubeni

    I agreeeeeee.

  • Scott LePage

    So they adjust Bruce Wayne’s character to fit Ben Afflecks personality?!

  • Seth Wilson

    I know, right!:)

  • Jace Curioso

    I’m going to guess your language skills having really progressed much since, oh, let’s say grade 6. Fefen ai, right?

  • rsixsmith

    since whatever it is you’re getting at is lost in that baffling phrasing, i’d say comprehension is more immediate a problem.

  • anonononon

    Just PLEASE don’t fuck it up, we already don’t need a reboot.

  • Chad Ammidown

    Who said weak? Tired and weary is how you would describe a cop after their first few years on the job. The go in with ideals and seem them get squashed. It changes them and makes them tired and weary. But then you find renewed hope and a better understanding of things.

    I think it’s being misunderstood. I highly doubt they got him to carry a cane and drink Ensure.

  • Chad Ammidown

    No they mean like Arkham Asylum game. Not crippled but very good at what he does but getting tired and weary both physically and mentally. Finding a counterpart in Superman may make for a nice rejuvenating shot.

  • Chad Ammidown

    Sorry i didn’t read the part where Batman finds critical acclaim…

  • Mcool138

    Well, lets hope what you say is true man!

  • Paul Roger Ponte

    Agreed…the writing in Daredevil was just balllss

  • Paul Roger Ponte

    DDs like the hardest marvel hero goin’

  • Jhiand na

    “tired and weary and seasoned and been doing it for a while.” so does this mean.. batman BEYOND will be made soon? :D

  • NoAffleckNoPleaseNo

    No, no, no, no, no…. Please no. No Affleck Batman… Dear God no. Just… no!

  • TheRoosh

    every game is like die hard. get over it.

  • Dan Riedel

    LOL, hillarious.

  • Dan Riedel

    I love Clayface too, but if they’re going to go the Nolan route again to make the universe plausible, I see them tweaking his backstory a bit.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing a Clayface that is the result of Crisco injections into his face, like that one asian chick in real life. Maybe he runs around with movie props or something to “shape shift.” The question would be his transformation be self inflicted, or the result of a mob payback?

    They could also introduce Kryptonite (the black or red variety) as part of the Clayface’s story line. Black makes you crazy (and could also split you in half like in Superman III) and red can alter your physical appearance. Maybe they can take a page out of “Smallville” and have him be the first human victim of some form of Kryptonite poisoning….

  • Truong Tin

    Unless Affleck’s tired and weary Batman is like his tired and weary Daredevil…

  • Corey Jones

    I like Affleck but if I were going for an older and more tired batman, I would have gone with someone like Keifer Sutherland.

  • Dark Knight Returns fan

    I hope Snyder casts Olivia Holt as Carrie Kelley/Robin.

  • ???

    Jujitzujara man… stop throwing Affleck under the bus. Give him a chance, FFS!

  • Thomas Crenshaw

    Ben Affleck is not a bad actor but he just doent have the “tough guy” ability as one. name one movie you seen him play where you felt intimated by his performance.Ben Affleck doesn’t have what it takes to play such a dark role as Bruce Wayne,let alone what it takes to pull off a great Batman.There are alot of great actors in hollywood but not all can play a superhero.Affleck should stick to what is working for him right now and leave the cowl alone, before he goes down the same road as Goerge and Val.Theres still time to save face Ben

  • meesa

    still not sold, but i get the feeling it will be batman not trust superman with him being an alien, cautious, already has something up his sleeve but hopefully not kryptonite because thats just fucking boring, superman will see batman as just another vigilante or terrorist lol the shit batman does when he gets older gets a little darker (unless you follow the arkham games mythos its vice versa) so superman wont be happy seeing batman hanging bad guys over rooftops and dropping them on a rope till they almost hit the floor just to scare them into talking xD its gona be a WIERD film, like, maybe superman returns kinda wierd :S

  • jake west

    He misread your enthusiasm I guess. Sometimes I harp on a writer if they go this route but it really depends, to me anyhow. I agree with every thing you posted. Why is their never a Robin. In the comics they show sometimes a side kick can help save the day. This newgeneration would say “Robin is gay” okay then make one that we can believe Bat Man has home trained, so much that Bat Man knows Robin can watch out for him when needed. The villains always team up, so let’s get Bats some help, even after Superman.

  • jake west

    After the Best Joker ever died that version of Bat Man was pretty much over. There was no real way to recover the build they were going for. And I know it was meant for The Joker to have increasingly more diabolical plots, but it wasn’t meant to be. I think WB should at least update The Joker to Ledger’s version, although out of respect not use his face but the surrealism of the “ruined clown makeup” the scars, bad green hair coloring ect. That skinny cartoon version of The Joker is just odd.

  • jake west

    I want to live in Nolan’s version of a gritty, worn, universe.

  • CainCrow

    And Hulk Hogan as Batman

  • rsixsmith

    :) i think he just doesn’t like the word f**k. if robin is gay, then batman is too, that’s what i think. which is fine with me since I’M gay. now don’t get me wrong, i hated joel schumacher’s stupid nipple suits and a&f version of robin- even i’m not THAT gay. i think the producers are afraid they’ll lose a big percentage of their american male viewers if they allow a comic faithful version of batman and robin. american men have such a fear of the perception of homoeroticism that that’s where their minds go to right away with the concept of batman and robin. they’re afraid that if they think it’s cool, then people will think that they’re gay, they’ll be afraid they are, or something really stupid like that. what i know is this: batman AND robin comics still sell. i don’t know exactly who’s buying them, but i can tell you that statistically there must be fewer gays than straights who like them, so what’s the big deal??

  • denver col

    Leave our superheros alone Ben Aflleck ! don’t you think you’ve done enough already!?
    DAREDEVIL isn’t going away.. And Ben can only play 1 character ..
    so that must mean.. ohhh. OH MY GOD…
    Blind Batman!!!.. There’s gonna be a blind Batman movie if we let this happen..
    Noob Superman vs. Blind Batman..great.. its JUST how we imagined it since we were kids… :*l

  • Thomas Crenshaw

    ben doesnt even look like a tired and weary middle aged guy who has been in fights his whole life. this is what is needed to be the bat in this movie and ben just plain doesn’t have it.having ben play batman is as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker, doesn’t matter what you do to the costume, make up, etc. you cant fix stupid, and having ben affleck play batman is about as stupid as you can get